Clinicians Driving Interoperability: Insights from the HL7 Da Vinci Project Clinical Advisory Council (CAC)
In this episode of The Dish on Health IT, POCP CEO and host Tony Schueth sat down with Dr. Julia Skapik (SVP & CMO at PurpleLab, practicing physician, member of the HL7 Da Vinci Clinical Advisory Council, and outgoing HL7 International board chair) and Dr. Steven Waldron (Chief Medical Informatics Officer at the American Academy of Family Physicians and Co-Chair of the Da Vinci Clinical Advisory Council). Together, they explored how clinicians are shaping interoperability and standards development through the HL7 Da Vinci Project’s Clinical Advisory Council (CAC).
Tony opened by framing the discussion: interoperability looks different at the point of care, and the provider voice is critical in making standards practical. Julia and Steve introduced themselves by highlighting both their clinical work and their roles within Da Vinci. Julia described her experience with clinical data exchange and DEQM work, and Steve explained how his decades in clinical informatics led him to co-chair the CAC.
Why HL7 Da Vinci Project Exists
Steve provided a primer on HL7 and the role of implementation guides in constraining optionality, so standards work in the real world. He emphasized Da Vinci’s collaborative model—bringing payers, providers, and vendors together. Julia added that Da Vinci’s strength lies in defining practical, feasible solutions the government can later adopt into regulation. She noted this industry-led, government-leveraged approach is why Da Vinci solutions have gained traction.
The Da Vinci Project CAC’s Role
Julia explained the CAC gives clinicians a venue to contribute without the unrealistic expectation of weekly hours of standards work. The council distills provider feedback and ensures workflows make sense in practice. Steve underscored its strategic role: CAC members participate in Da Vinci’s steering committee (though without voting power) and help produce content that reflects clinician priorities.
Clinical Challenges and Opportunities
When asked about top challenges, Steve focused on accelerating adoption. Clinicians are tired of multiple payer portals; they need solutions that simplify, not add layers. He noted Da Vinci studies early adopters to identify what’s working and how to spread best practices. Julia brought in her day-to-day frustration: being blindsided when payers second-guess treatment plans after the fact. For her, seamless data flow at the point of care would let providers close loops quickly and reduce burden.
Progress to Date
Julia highlighted how Da Vinci has reduced tensions between payers and providers by creating space for collaborative problem-solving. She pointed to patient access and real-time eligibility/coverage checks as areas where providers feel real relief. Steve added that having clinicians consistently “at the table”—via CAC, open invitations, and health system involvement—is a big step forward, even if imperfect.
Workflow Alignment and Usability
The conversation then turned to the CAC’s recent report on usability and workflow. Julia stressed that standards must fit into diverse care settings. Training, audit data, and clarity about why data matters are crucial—otherwise, boxes won’t get clicked, and data quality suffers. She provided examples, such as prior authorization questions, that should be resolved automatically to avoid burdening providers. Steve expanded on the strategic approach: learning from innovators, cataloging obstacles (like ROI calculation), and identifying opportunities (education, ROI tools, developer engagement). He illustrated how real-time prior auth workflows must account for triaging between clinicians and back-office staff, not just “dump” everything on providers.
Prior Authorization Pain Points
Both guests dug deep into prior authorization. Julia cited a successful MultiCare Regents pilot and her own frustrations with stuck ePA requests and payer variability. She described patients enduring multiple unnecessary visits due to PA roadblocks. Steve echoed this, recalling clinicians’ frustration with nonsensical requirements (e.g., annual PA for diabetes test strips). He argued that half-measures—like real-time denials without alternatives—aren’t enough; systems need to provide actionable options to avoid delays in care.
Policy and Regulation
The panel then addressed broader policy topics. On CMS’s recent digital ecosystem pledge, Steve was skeptical: pledges are good, but clinicians want action and alignment across TEFCA, QHINs, and standards. Julia compared pledges to past attestations—checking boxes without measuring outcomes. Both agreed that alignment of business cases with regulatory requirements (as in CMS-0057) is key to sustainable progress.
When asked about price transparency and quality measures, Julia shared insights from her PurpleLab work on claims analytics, arguing that integrated data can drive smarter decisions for providers, payers, and patients. Steve stressed the importance of transparency to spur competition among clinicians and the promise of moving beyond claims data toward richer clinical data exchange via Da Vinci’s CDex and PDex work. Julia added a practical note: today, provider office care coordinators and payer care coordinators rarely communicate. Standards that connect those two sides could be transformative.
Final Thoughts
Steve’s call to action: clinicians should engage where they can—whether by advocating within their organizations or learning through Da Vinci’s education tracks. Julia encouraged listeners to press their vendors and payers: “What are you doing with Da Vinci? Will you support these solutions on my behalf?” She emphasized that early involvement is both strategic and practical as regulations like CMS-0057 loom.
Tony closed by thanking Julia and Steve for bringing the clinical voice to life and reminded listeners that interoperability is a dish best served hot.
Related Content:
- HL7 Da Vinci Confluence Page
- Accelerating DV Adoption by Providers – CAC Insights Report
- CAC Statement on Prior Authorization Burden Reduction Ballot
- HL7 Da Vinci LinkedIn Page
- HL7 Da Vinci Project: MultiCare & Regence Case Study on Early Implementation & Real-World ROI
- Catching FHIR: Lessons Learned from Achieving the First Prior Authorization Automation via HL7® FHIR®
